This Thanksgiving, retailers aren't waiting for Friday to arrive to invite Black Friday shoppers into their stores.
Led by Target and Wal-Mart, major retailers have announced plans to open their doors as early as 8 p.m., in an ongoing quest to grab shoppers' attention and get the holiday shopping season off to a strong start.
The ever-earlier openings have sparked a debate over whether there should be a limit in the gradual blurring of America's traditional day of thanks and its traditional day of unrestrained bargain hunting.
"Thanksgiving used to be the palate cleanser from commercialism," said retail brand analyst Beth Perro-Jarvis at Ginger Consulting in Minneapolis.
Last year, hundreds of thousands of shoppers signed petitions to protest the creep into Thanksgiving Day. That was when many stores opened at midnight.
But plenty of shoppers showed up in the middle of the night, and now retailers are pushing up the store openings even more. Minneapolis-based Target, for example, is opening at 9 p.m., despite nearly 200,000 signatures protesting it at Change.org.
Some shoppers think the earlier hours are more convenient.
Wendy Marson of River Falls, Wis., said lots of nurses, police officers, firefighters and gas station attendants already work on the holiday. The fact that Wal-Mart, Target and other retailers are opening earlier this year doesn't faze her.