Kathy Griffin -- beyond the 'D-List?'

The Cult of Kathy has grown into quite a mega-church. Time was, no dregs were too low for Kathy Griffin to scrape in a bid for attention. Now, she's the star of the most popular reality program on Bravo, has sold out an unprecedented five shows at the Orpheum in Minneapolis and just won an Emmy.

Griffin is like that friend who constantly goes over the top, but is so infectiously amusing that you never get annoyed enough to call her on it. You just sit back and let her rip. She gabbed with us recently from her California home so familiar to fans of her cable reality show "My Life on the D-List."

Q: Exactly how D-list is doing five stand-up gigs in a 2,500-seat theater?

A: Good. Now I might sell eight T-shirts.

Q: You know that tops even Larry the Cable Guy?

A: I didn't think he could be taken down. There are so many blue-collar bastards out there.

Q: Your relationship with your 88-year-old mom, Maggie, is a key element of "My Life on the D-List." Are you ever accused of exploiting her?

Q: Who's the most mad at you: Ryan Seacrest, Clay Aiken, Barbara Walters or Oprah?

A: Barbara. I just ran into Ryan, he laughs at my jokes -- which kills me, I hate to think that he has a sense of humor. Oprah, I'm not on her radar. I hear Clay has copies of my specials and watches them.

My issue with Barbara is simple. I really like her and get a kick out of her. She can't stand me, but that doesn't stop me from having a secret relationship with her.

Q: Presenting with Don Rickles at the Emmys, you two could've been at each other up there, and not in a good way.

A: I love Don Rickles, he is such a sweetheart. Last time I saw Don was at Suzanne-fucking-Somers' house at a dinner party. He held my hand and gave me some advice.

A: I asked him about doing double-bangers, which is what I call two shows a night. He said, "Honey, enjoy it, the day's gonna come when you don't even get asked to do one." This guy did five shows a night in Vegas. I know a lot of comedians and I can tell you they are the nicest people on Earth. Don, Joan Rivers, Howard Stern -- he's just a nice nebbishy guy.

Q: How come you're not as charitable to other celebs as you are to Stern?

A: Because they're not all who they appear to be. I'm all about ripping the mask off to see who has a sense of humor and who doesn't.

Q: The downside to getting more popular is it threatens the D-list status on which you've staked your rep. And the upside?

A: I don't get quite as many walkouts. I used to count about 10 per show. People now know, coming in the door, what they're going to get, that they'll probably be offended at some point.

A: My inability to keep my mouth shut. Every night when I go to bed I pray to baby Jesus to make me Rachael Ray or Bonnie Hunt.

Q: Local fitness instructor Doug Melroe sent you a video of his killer aerobics class at the Firm because he wants you to try it when you're here. Any chance?

A: I don't have time. I'm going to be reading US Weekly that day. OK, I have to go now.

Q: Come on, just a few more?

A: Sorry, I have an interview with a gay magazine and you know I can't have them after me.