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Carter in, Peterson waiting

Posted by: Jim Souhan Updated: February 2, 2013 - 5:35 PM

I covered Cris Carter's arrival in Minnesota. He had earned his dismissal from the Eagles, abusing drugs and alcohol. The Vikings picked him up on waivers because Jerry Burns thought he could turn into a great receiver. Burnsie was right.

Carter was your classic underperforming diva wide receiver when he arrived. He and I hit it off the following training camp. He agreed to a long sit-down interview. He told me if I told his story honestly, we'd get along fine, and if I didn't, he'd punch me in the eye.

I didn't pull any punches, and he didn't throw any. He wanted to make his story public, and he was my go-to guy in the lockerrom until I left the Vikiings beat to cover baseball following the 1992 season.

When I began covering football again, in 1998, Carter and I didn't have the same relationship, but I loved watching him play. Dennis Green gave perhaps the quiintessential quote on Carter: He said Carter expanded the field. It was an early version of the ``catch-radius'' idea. Green meant that with Carter, a quarterback could throw the ball three feet out of bounds, or five feet over his head, or at his toes, and Carter would catch it.

Near the end of his career, I asked Carter how he played so long, as a guy who was willing to go over the middle to make catches. He began listing the people he employed: Nutritionist, physical therapist, chiropractor, chef, personal trainer...the list went on for a while.

I'm not sure I ever covered a more dedicated athlete.

His downside was linked to his greatest strength: He put so much into playing football that he couldn't stomach those who didn't match his commitment.

I think he was deserving of the Hall of Fame. He was elected to the Hall on Saturday in New Orleans.

I'm at the NFL Awards Ceremony, awaiting word on whether Adrian Peterson will win the MVP award.

Carter and Peterson have very different personalities. They have this in common: There is or has been any doubt about their desire to be great.

I stopped Vikings coach Leslie Frazier on the red carpet and asked if he's talked with Peterson about the award. ``Oh, yeah,'' Frazier said. ``He's still upset that he didn't win the Heisman. He'll be the first to tell you he should win this.''

Mark Craig and I will have all the Hall of Fame and NFL award coverage from New Orleans in tomorrow's paper and at startribune.com.

 

 

Bountygate re: Favre

Posted by: Jim Souhan Updated: March 2, 2012 - 6:47 PM

Because Brett Favre is a fickle and mysterious human, you have to wonder how the Saints' bounty on him affected Vikings history and his career.

If the Saints hadn't badly injured his ankle in the 2009 NFC title game...

-Would he have run for the first down after the 12-man-in-the-huddle call? He had room. He instead tried to force the ball to Sidney Rice and was intercepted. Another first down and I would have bet a lot of money that Ryan Longwell would have kicked the game-winning field goal. Well, OK, I would have bet a little money.

-If he had either advanced to the Super Bowl or left Superdome healthy after a close loss, would he have been more eager to play in 2010? It was Favre's passive-aggressive attitude about playing that helped ruin that season. I can't even guess on this one.

What SpyGate and BountyGate have taught us is that the NFL is a dirty, dirty business. Even when defensive players aren't offered rewards, they often enter the game intent on injuring or intimidating offensive players.

I covered Floyd Peters when he was the Vikings' defensive coordinator. Great guy. And he wanted his defensive linemen to knock every quarterback unconcious. Sound harsh? These were the days before concussion awareness, when that was an explicit goal of every defense.

Football hasn't changed. It's become even more violent and profitable. I can't pretend to be offended by the Saints' bounty system because I believe that all defensive players are incentivized to brutalize offensive players. The Saints were just stupid enough to create a traceable system, and stupid enough to get caught.

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My take on Vikings' stadium proposal

Posted by: Jim Souhan Updated: March 1, 2012 - 6:12 PM

The Star Tribune staff has done an excellent job chronicling the Vikings' pursuit of a new stadium. But if you don't want to sift through all the information and quotes, I'll save you some time:

The Vikings, the governor and the mayor of Minneapolis have agreed upon a deal that would build a beautiful new football stadium in Minneapolis, potentially revitalize one of the more run-down portions of the city, and keep an important state asset in Minnesota for the next 30 years, and they aren't going to raise anybody's taxes.

If you argue against this deal, you are short-sighted and selfish. This is a good deal, and I commend all parties involved for their patience. Zygi Wilf has been very fair and even-handed throughout, has refused to threaten to move when most humans would have been tempted to threaten to move, and has been willing to change sites to make a deal happen.

This deal should happen.

-B games are generally meaningless, but there was one important development today in Fort Myers: Righthander Carlos Gutierrez couldn't even get through one inning. I've had Twins officials tell me that he has to develop a soft pitch to set up his hard stuff, but on Thursday, he couldn't command any of his pitches. That's a terrible debut for a guy who I thought would compete for a big-league roster spot.

-Had a great time hosting Matt Birk on a tour of the Twins' spring training facility today. I've known Matt since 1998, and he made me vomit a lot during a workout with him and Matt Morris a few summers ago, so we've got that going for us.

He has a house in Naples and brought his wife and six kids to Fort Myers. He met Terry Ryan and Ron Gardenhire and said what I think every spring: If you want to visit spring training, do it before the games begin, and you can watch workouts and not have to fight crowds to get close to the players.

Birk hinted he wants to come back for one more year with the Ravens, and NFL players tend to become more optimistic about the future as they heal during the offseason. I think he'll sign a one-year deal with Baltimore and take another shot at getting to the Super Bowl.

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Upcoming: I'll be on 1500espn with Tom Pelissero tonight at 6:40, and will run Sunday Sports Talk with Jeff Grayson. Jeff will be in studio, I'll be in Fort Myers. We're going to do a long show running up to the Twins' game against Boston, so we'll be on from 10-12:30 Central time.

I'll be covering the Twins' game at Boston and will be getting my first look at lil' Fenway.

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Another Carter-Moss note

Posted by: Jim Souhan Updated: February 17, 2012 - 9:49 AM

Randy Moss wants to return to the NFL?

Cris Carter's career doesn't bode well for him.

Moss is 35. He'd be 35 1/2 by the time the NFL season started, and close to 36 by the time it ended.

Moss, unlike Carter, has never been known for taking great care of himself. As I wrote in today's column, Cris Carter used to tell me about the team of experts he employed to keep him in perfect condition. Carter, unlike Moss, didn't rely on great speed.

Carter amassed 1,000 or more receiving yards in eight straight seasons. He did not fall off until 2001, after he turned 35.

He faltered in 2001. In 2002, he tried to play for the Miami Dolphins and produced 66 yards. By 2003, he was out of football.

Moss is 35. He had an excellent season at 32, for the Patriots, in 2009. In 2010, he fell off so much that Bill Belichick, while trying to win a championship, decided that Moss was a detriment. Then Moss came to Minnesota, dogged it on one infamous long pass against the Patriots, and produced 393 yards for three teams, none of whom wanted him back.

He sat out the 2011 season. Is there any reason to believe he could return this season and help an NFL team?

History, particularly Cris Carter's history, tells us no.

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I'll be on 1500espn at 2:05 today. Sunday, Tom Linnemann and I will run Sunday Sports Talk, 10-noon, from the Minnesota Golf Show at the Minneapolis Convention Center.

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NFL picks, Tice and Chili news, and Vikings hangovers

Posted by: Jim Souhan Updated: January 20, 2012 - 5:54 PM

Mike Tice is set to interview for the Oakland Raiders' head coaching job. Brad Childress has interviewed in Tampa and could be on the Colts' list.

Make all the jokes you want about Tice's mistakes and Childress' foibles, but both became good NFL head coaches while on the job in Minnesota, and both will probably be even better if given a second chance.

Tice got blamed for the Love Boat scandal. I can tell you as someone who covered the Vikings for years that Tice's leadership had nothing to do with the scandal. The Vikings held similar parties for decades, it's just that while Tice was in charge, the players got caught having that party on a boat in front of people they had not paid off.

Tice deserves full blame for scalping Super Bowl tickets. That was stupid. But he's not the only NFL coach to do so, he was just the guy who got caught.

Tice helped the Vikings improve and took them to the playoffs with a very limited roster and a JV coaching staff, because Red McCombs, at that juncture of his ownership, did not want to pay for good people. Had Scott Linehan stayed and Matt Birk stayed healthy, Tice probably would have taken the team to the playoffs in consecutive years and would have been much harder to fire.

Childress went from 6-10 to 8-8 to 10-6 to 12-4 before Brett Favre and Randy Moss got him fired. He's a smart, talented coach who drove a lot of people inside and outside the Vikings' organization crazy, but I believe he gained a lot of perspective while he was here. Put him in the right organization, with a real general manager and clearly defined responsibilities, and I bet he wins a lot of games. Tampa Bay could be perfect, because they have a talented young quarterback, and finding and developing a quarterback was Childress' main problem in Minnesota.

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As for this weekend, here are my sure-to-backfire picks.

Ravens at Patriots:

I know the Ravens destroyed the Patriots in Foxboro the last time they met in the playoffs, but I believe this Ravens team has lots of problems that will doom it on Sunday.

The defense is old and a step slower than when it was a dominant unit. Joe Flacco is playing without confidence. And the Ravens don't scare anybody with their outside receivers. If Bill Belichick can find a way to rattle Flacco and control Ray Rice, the Ravens won't score many points.

Tom Brady is playing at a high level and can use Gronkowski and Hernandez to take advantage of the Ravens' diminished defensive speed. On defense, the Patriots had a terrible statistical season but are healthier now than they've been all year, and the return of Patrick Chung could make them more formidable.

I think this one's simple: The Patriots have a chance to score a lot of points, and the Ravens don't.

Patriots 27, Ravens 22.

Giants at 49ers:

Eli Manning is better than Alex Smith, and the Giants are the best and most complete team remaining in the playoffs. In researching my Sunday column, I found out that the Giants had the least rushing yards in the NFL this season. But they remain dangerous on the ground.

Modern sports championships are won by the hottest and healthiest teams, and the Giants qualify, just as the Packers did last year at this time.

As in the Patriots' game, I'm picking the team with the best chance to score a lot of points. As good as the 49ers' defense is, I think Manning uses this game to gain the kind of recognition usually reserved for his brother, Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

Giants 24, 49ers 16.

Upcoming: With Tom Pelissero headed to Mobile to cover the Vikings staff at the Senior Bowl, Joe Schmit will join me at the boat show to run Sunday Sports Talk, from 10-noon.

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