MADISON, Wis. — Sabrina Madison knows most places in the city weren't designed with black women in mind.

"Black folks, and especially black women, don't already have places that belong to them in this community," Madison said. "There are not too many spaces where they already fit in when they walk in the door."

So when thinking about the design of the future permanent home for her Progress Center for Black Women, she brought black women to the table on day one.

Madison recently met with SmithGroup, an architectural, engineering and planning firm, to cast a vision for the center, and she asked black women to come and weigh in. Participants said they felt "honored" to be invited.

"To me, Sabrina's like our local celebrity," said Ruby Clay, so when she was invited, "I was like, whoa, me?"

"I think it was one of the best meetings I've been to in my 39 years of living. To be sitting at a table full of leaders that look like myself — it was an amazing feeling," said Alice Larrue, adding she hasn't stopped talking about it since.

Madison is the founder of the Progress Center for Black Women. For now, the Progress Center lives in an 800-square-foot office in Suite 211 at 5936 Seminole Centre Ct. in Fitchburg.

Madison has been in talks with affordable housing developer Movin' Out about the possibility of building a permanent center as part of a project with 40 units of affordable housing.

When Madison's friend Mike Ford, known as the Hip Hop Architect, joined SmithGroup a few weeks ago as an architectural associate, he told her: "Sabrina, this is the perfect moment to now have a team start to look at your ideas for expanding."

"For an architectural firm to be with me as I'm learning and going along means a lot to me," Madison said.

Ford proposed a pro bono charrette, or cypher, which he explained is a time to come up with design ideas quickly, taking just a couple of hours to "conceptualize a space." The group talked about programming and amenity possibilities for the future center, whether it partners with Movin' Out, renovates a separate property or builds its own space.

Ford brought along SmithGroup colleagues Lilliann Dolley, an architectural associate, and Kelly Hensler, a design architect.

"It's the Progress Center for Black Women, and me and Sabrina have this long history of working together . . . (but) it's time to introduce Sabrina to some women designers," he said, especially as Dolley is one of the few African American women in the field.

At the charrette, SmithGroup provided pictures of design ideas and had participants answer questions about what they want for the center. Participants suggested programs and amenities like pregnancy support, fitness space and even a "black women TED talk."

Madison wants the permanent center to hold a community kitchen, computer lab and library. The wish list also includes laundry facilities, a place for teens, a large common co-working space and a small salon area.

Participants brought up ideas and concerns that Madison hadn't considered. Madison had always planned to have a reading space for kids, but mothers also asked for a more active space, to keep kids occupied while they're at work in the center.

Other participants talked about the importance of creating a space that can serve people who have experienced trauma.

Everyone at the table shared some sort of trauma experience, whether it was racism or the loss of a loved one, Madison said, and wanted the space to serve that need, like by creating private spaces to host counseling and support groups.

"I always say that I want the Progress Center to be like an extended living room, like a black women's living room," Madison told The Capital Times. "But I'd never thought about how when you're at home, it is kind of healing to just sort of kick off your shoes, lay down, be in a space with other folks who love you and just talk about things. That is actual healing. It took that design cipher for me to really think about that."

Clay works at Domestic Abuse Intervention Services, so everything she does is geared toward helping clients heal from trauma, and "coming up with a space that would allow that to happen is amazing," she said.

"This space should be able to hold celebration and joy and trauma just the same," one participant wrote.

The center could potentially feature several small vending spaces for entrepreneurs, Madison said. Judy McNeal has brought her QB's Magnetic Creations business to Madison's business expo events.

There's not much awareness of the many local African American entrepreneurs, she said. She's excited that the center could provide a platform for black-owned businesses to introduce themselves to the city, she said.

Relatives and those close to Diano McCullough and Aprina Paul were also at the meeting, as aspects of the future center will be dedicated in their honor. Paul was an African American woman who died in 2013 at the age of 18. McCullough was an African American man killed by a driver high on LSD in 2018; Madison has said was "like everybody's father in the community."

Larrue, Paul's mother, said having her daughter's memorial at a building dedicated to black women's leadership was deeply meaningful to her.

"It's so dope to be sitting in a room full of black women and a couple kids working on what the future of the Progress Center might look like," Madison said in a Facebook Live video after the event. "I just feel really good."

SmithGroup is now working on design suggestions for Madison, to act as a "starting point for her to be able to communicate with potential funders." SmithGroup will also make visuals of the project, to help "communicate the vision with more than words," Ford said. Madison will start pulling together a capital campaign team, hopefully by November.

McNeal said the charrette was one of the few times she's walked away from a meeting fully believing that the ideas discussed will become a reality.

"It's going to be amazing," Larrue said. "I can't wait for this center to come."

An AP Member Exchange shared by The Capital Times.