Dark Star's star has risen fast - and seemingly from out of nowhere.
WCCO's Dark Star (George Chapple) in March 1993
On WCCO Radio's "Night Talk" recently, a caller suggested that
Dave: Who is this guy?
Dark: Hey, you know, Dave, they all take their swings. They
Dave: Exxxxactly. And we take all the stuff that goes with it,
Dark: Dave, last question, and the most important question I
Dave: Ah ha ha ha! You're gonna end up doin' both.
Dark: I knew you'd stick me with both of them. I knew it.
Dave: Hey, my pleasure. I'm glad you're where you are.
Dark: Well, I'm glad you're where you are. I wish you nothing
Dave: Thanks a lot, Dark. (Click)
Dark: David Durenberger on WCCO Radio. We'll have open phones
The funniest thing about this little lovefest, which stopped
Star's star has risen fast - and seemingly from out of nowhere.
In January, WCCO general manager Rand Gottlieb demonstrated his
Knowledgeable people in radio talk about the possibility of his
It's enough to make you ask about Dark Star what Durenberger
Who is this guy?
George Chapple is who he really is.
Dark Star is the name of the 1953 Kentucky Derby winner.
Which was after he worked at the pro shop at L.A.'s ritzy Bel
Which was after he roofed houses and tended bar in Washington,
Which was after he was injured in a helicopter accident in
Which was after he was in an auto accident at Fort Hood, Texas,
Which was after he dropped out of the University of Connecticut
Which was after he got his face sliced up with a broken Coke
Which was after his family moved from Middletown, Ohio, where
Which was after he had learned to play "barn ball" on his
Chapple has almost as many stories as he does opinions, which
It began one night in late 1985. Chapple had moved to Minnesota
"Who is this?" said the hosts, whose skepticism is legendary.
"This is Dark Star," said the caller.
When the prediction proved credible, Reusse and Soucheray
Two days after his embarrassing 0-for-9 debut in the Pioneer
Some people question how deep Star's knowledge of horses
Star got his foot in the WCCO door thanks to Pat Fallon of the
Quick, now general manager of Fargo's KFGO-AM, didn't hire Star
As time went by, Quick said, Star "absolutely beat my door
"When he wants something, he's a very hard charger," said Eric
Quick eventually let Star do guest shots on John Gordon's
The big shot Star had been lobbying for came in January 1991.
Star took over WCCO's midnight-to-3 a.m. shift. As luck would
"It was a very fortuitous thing," said Eskola. "The Persian
Dark victory
Star's "Night Talk" caught on quickly. WCCO's management was
"He would routinely do touch-tone votes on topics he had
"You need a hook in this game, just to be heard above the
Star also polarized listeners with his opinionated style. "Dark
Quick compares Star to America's reigning radio heavyweight,
Listeners who think Limbaugh and Star are peas from the same
But he's also pro-choice on the abortion issue, in favor of
Star describes himself as a moderate Republican and says he
"I think a lot of people on the radio gear their conversation
Dark shades
Even some people who call Star a friend wonder how much of him
"To ask if he embellishes, I mean, it goes with the territory,
"I would never say he's devious," said Quick, "but he's like a
Star said people just find it hard to believe so many things
The most commonly heard comment about Star is that he kisses up
"If you ask 50 people about George, 40 of them will use the
"He would have been the first kid to clean the blackboards
Star brought this matter up in an interview without being
He noted, for instance, that he "bothers" Gottlieb, the WCCO
He calls himself "a classic workaholic" and expresses great
He's on the air four hours a night and says he gets by on five
Quick estimates that Star makes close to 100 calls a day,
Star is separated from his wife of only a few months, Debra
Since the separation, he has been living at his mother's home
Heart of Darkness
Friends say that he's sentimental and an easy touch. Wagner
Star revealed some of that when he talked about his father, his
"My father was ultraconservative, totally strait-laced,
Notwithstanding what Eskola calls Star's " `Guys and Dolls' His father was a Buick dealer in Ohio and later a Gelco
He talks about having "secondary variables" - options, other
Yet, even when he says that, even when he opines that you
"He's getting paid for what he would be doing anyway," said
host Dark Star and his guest, Dave, toss their bags on North Stars
owner Norm Green's trailer and accompany him the heck out of town,
leading to the following exchange between the tweaked twosome:
take their shots. It's part of the deal, you know. That's why we
make what most people consider to be big money, which really isn't
as big as they think it is.
too, right? Ha ha ha ha.
have to ask you this evening: If we do get run out of the state and
we wind up in Dallas, who's gonna play tennis with Norm and who's
gonna watch the dogs?
David, thanks a million for being on.
but the best of luck.
the rest of the way. . . .
just short of Dave joining Dark for a teary chorus of "You've Got a
Friend," is that Durenberger has been a U.S. senator for 15 years
while "The Darkman," until not too long ago, was best known for
handicapping races at Canterbury Downs.
One night he's yukking it up on 'CCO with Durenberger, the next
night maybe it's Al Checchi or Clem Haskins or Gov. Arne Carlson.
Whomever he's talking with, chances are he's talking with the
familiarity, the bonhomie and the sense of entitlement of an old
Army buddy.
confidence in Star by moving "Night Talk" from the wee small hours
to a more prime time - 9 a.m. to 1 a.m.
show someday being syndicated nationally, like Larry King's or Rush
Limbaugh's.
asked about the cheeky caller:
Chapple said he took the horse's name as a pseudonym when he was
moonlighting as a handicapper for the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner
while working for a very conservative brokerage house.
Air Country Club.
D.C.
Vietnam.
that left the other four passengers dead.
to join the Army.
bottle in a New York subway fight.
he was born, to Long Island.
grandfather's Ohio farm, sold sweet corn out of a wagon door-to-door
and saw his first horse race at a county fair when he was 6 (and
picked eight out of nine races, he says, for the day).
is to say a number approaching infinity. How he wound up doing a
talk show for WCCO is a story.
from the West Coast in 1979 to work for Gelco Corp., an auto leasing
company, and in a bar he overheard a well-lubricated fellow
connected to the Vikings brass blurt out that coach Bud Grant was
going to quit at the end of the season. From his car phone, Chapple
phoned columnists Patrick Reusse and Joe Soucheray on their KSTP-AM
radio show, `Monday Night Sports Talk," and predicted Grant's
resignation.
started touting the mysterious Star as the Twin Cities' new
sport-scoop king - and they helped him get on the payroll at the St.
Paul Pioneer Press when the paper found itself in need of a
handicapper.
Press, Star popped up as substitute host of "The Canterbury Report,"
the track's late-night replay show on cable TV. A week later the
show became "The Canterbury Report with Dark Star." Soon he was
doing handicapping seminars . . . and a column in Viking Update . .
. and a show for KANO Radio in Anoka . . . and Canterbury updates
for WCCO.
actually runs. No one disputes that he understands the meaning of
the word "parlay."
Shot in the Dark
Fallon-McElligott ad agency. He had become friendly with Fallon when
they served together on a committee to save the University of
Minnesota's Memorial Stadium from the wrecking ball. Fallon's
secretary just happened to be the wife of 'CCO program director Jon
Quick. Through her, Fallon recommended Star.
immediately. But even in 1986, Quick said, he recognized Star "as a
colorful character, a natural personality."
down. He would call me every day - sometimes three, four times a day
- trying to get a shot. He'd say, `Hey, boss, gimme a shot, just one
shot, boss.' Naturally, I just grew to like the guy."
Eskola, WCCO's political specialist and one of Star's closest
friends. "He's very focused and a tireless salesman of himself. He
just wore everybody down. "
"Sports Talk." "Even though he was pretty rough," Quick said,
"something told me to hang with this guy and use him from time to
time."
Quick and general manager Steve Goldstein had been researching
possible changes in the station's overnight program, which was
presided over by low-key jazz buff Joe McFarlin. "We concluded that
the overnight audience had an appetite for more involving
programming," Goldstein said.
have it, for him at least, George Bush declared war on Saddam
Hussein.
Gulf War gave him a forum, something on which he could attach a
point of view - he was very `pro' the war. It was a time when Sen.
[Paul] Wellstone was against the war, so he [Star] was able to set
that up as a kind of protagonist-antagonist type of a deal. A lot of
things fell right, including his good hard work, and it happened."
startled to discover how many people were awake and eager to put
their two cents in.
heated up, and it would not be rare that thousands of people would
call," Goldstein said, still sounding astonished. "In the middle of
the night!"
racket," Eskola said. "And the Dark Star hook - he's a very good
storyteller, he's got a kind of colorful urban patois - has sliced
through the typical babble of all the media."
Star evokes the emotion of, `What is that jerk gonna say tonight?' "
said Eskola. "He has the same kind of quality that Sid Hartman
brings to radio. If you love him, you love to listen to him. But if
you hate him, you still listen, because you love to hate him."
Rush Limbaugh. "Rush is more polished, but Dark is getting better
all the time," Quick said. "They're both very natural personalities
and characters who have an opinion on everything."
political pod aren't paying close attention, however. Star is no fan
of Bill Clinton, but he's no right-wing ideologue, either. A
flag-waver? You bet. Big booster of the military and the police?
Absolutely.
registering handguns, and of the opinion that homophobes should shut
up and tend to their own business. "I don't think he's doctrinaire
anything," Eskola said.
would have jumped party lines last year if "Clinton's lies" about
not taxing the middle class han't driven his guy, pro-business
Democrat Paul Tsongas, out of the nomination race.
to the listenership," Star said. "I say exactly what I think every
single day, every single week, every second I'm on the radio. You've
got to have your own style and you've gotta be honest about what you
do. Because if you're not honest, then you gotta remember all the
lies you told."
is fiction.
doesn't it?" said Chuck Wagner, Star's longtime friend and a
business associate in D.C. "I mean, he's an entertainment."
little boy sometimes, where he changes his story to suit his needs
at the time. He's the ultimate schmoozer, in a good sort of way, so
you never know quite whether to believe everything."
could have happened to a guy who's only 46 years old. He also said
he "would rather burn to death in a fire than bore somebody."
to people with power or authority - politicians, business leaders,
his bosses.
word unctuous," said Mike Gelfand, who also handicapped Canterbury
races. "It's just the way he is."
after school," said Quick, "because he knew it would have been a
good investment for something later."
asked. He sounded more annoyed than hurt. "Why should I hang around
with bums who don't have the same drive and ambition that I do?" he
said. "If you want to learn, you have go to the people who know."
general manager, "all the time, to find out what's going on in the
enterprise. Anybody who doesn't do that is a fool."
admiration for other people who pour themselves into their work.
Quick says "life-aholic" would be more accurate because Star "can't
stand to not be part of the whirlwind of life."
hours' sleep. The rest of his typical day is spent going to the
Flagship Athletic Club, where he plays basketball and reads
newspapers while he rides a bike or saunas; playing gin rummy in the
afternoons at the Lafayette Country Club; going to Timberwolves
games (he is the original season-ticket holder) and other sporting
events; and making calls from the phone in his Saab.
greeting his grapevine members with, "What's goin' on, boss?"
Kockos Chapple, because his life-aholism didn't mesh well with
marriage. "It's very difficult to maintain anything but what I do on
a day-to-day basis," he said. "It takes about 90 percent of the gas
out of the tank."
in Edina.
talked about his sensitive side. Quick said he is "a very emotional
guy. He's not afraid to shed a tear for the people he really cares
for."
lifelong golfing buddy, who died in late 1990. "The one thing I miss
the most is playing golf with my dad," he said. "I'd give everything
I have to be able to spend one more summer with my father playing
golf. And I mean everything.
demanded your respect through his deeds and doings," he said. "He
worked hard, came home every night. He was a family man. Great
father. And a great person. He's the best friend I ever had. And it
leaves a tremendous void in my life, because now I have to refer
almost on a daily basis to what he taught me and what he wanted me
to be. And in his lifetime, I think I lived up to what he wanted me
to be."
persona," his background is business and country club. He said that
a basic difference between him and his friend and fellow sports
addict, Pat Reusse, is that Reusse sees owners and management as the
enemy. Star doesn't.
executive in the Twin Cities area. His grandfather was president of
Armco Steel, and his father's brother was an executive at U.S.
Steel. One of his great pleasures today is the gin game at Lafayette
with a group of retired businessmen. He inherited his father's seat
in the game, and he said he goes there not just for the camaraderie
but to tap into the business acumen they have to share.
irons in the fire. "You've got to have more than one thing going for
you by the time you're 47," he said. He has an interest in a
lighting company in the Twin Cities and real-estate holdings with
Wagner in Washington. "At some point I may have to go back to
Washington to work," he said.
should change jobs every eight years to stay fresh, it's hard to
imagine him walking away from a high-profile platform such as "Night
Talk," where he gets to swap stories nightly with coaches and
politicians and corporate executives and newspaper editors.
Wagner. "When he had straight jobs, his real love was sports and all
the stories he told and his viewpoints on things. Now he's in a
position where it's more defined. He's where he should be."
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